Types of firearm wadcutters. I suspect the reason is a well defined bearing surface. You can post now and register later. It looks like a flying 55 gallon drum. Wadcutters are designed to make nice, round holes in targets for ease of scoring. Every company has their own manufacturer that does things their own way, which results in a number of different name brands and ammo lines to choose from. Not necessarily BAD, but not as good. JohnKSa Moderator Staff Member. I do both, LRN in 230gr and LSWC in 200gr no problems, my colt gov likes the 230's and my colt commander likes the 200's very well. is there a difference in inherent accuracy? I am new to 1911 pistols, but not new to loading ammo. 38 CAL Hard Cast Lead Reloading Bullets. depends. Moderators: flatgate, Moderators. As far as my safety concern, I dug out the owners manual and here is what it states "Warning, some pointed and full metal jacketed round nose bullets can chain fire other cartridges in a tubular magazine during recoil causing damage to the firearm and potentially serious injury or death. 148 gn. Wadcutters are so much fun to shoot in .38 Special, and the accuracy will make you look really good too! My Detonics still managed to chamber them OK. Blue Bullets or Gallant, 1.250" CCI primer and 3.9 grains of Clays makes 172 power factor in my 5" springfield 1911. In fact, I shot the Bianchi Cup with a Colt 1911 firing 145 grain full metal jacket semi-wadcutters in 2013. Refine by Bullet Style: Magnum Tip Soft Point Open Tip Match. These rounds offer better ballistic performance (less drag) than wadcutters, still punch nice holes in paper targets, and can be fed by automatic pistols in most cases. Can't help on WST as I haven't used it for a long, long time. Free shipping over $20, new in box. They all were very accurate as opposed to what I had shot before which were hollow … or a hollowpoint which fails to expand. Thank you for your patience and understanding. round nose vs semi wadcutter: preferences - why? The semi-jacketed soft point (SJSP) is another hollow point alternative bullet – with an exposed lead soft point that gives very reliable expansion on impact, along with deeper penetration than your average hollow point.. You can usually find the semi-jacketed soft point with a copper jacket of various lengths and thickness to go with a lead core. The only problem with this wadcutter vs round nose is most wadcutter loads are light on powder charge. With lead SWC, I sometimes felt that the feeding was a little rough, when racking the slide. Even though the wadcutter doesn’t actually expand, it … Joined: Jan 1, 2003 Messages: 16,364 Location: DFW Area. It cuts a clean, round bullet hole on paper, easy to score. I assume you are talking Handguns. If you need self-defense or hunting ammo, wadcutters may not be the most suitable option. A semi wadcutter has a stepped shoulder for cutting nice clean holes in paper. Though full wadcutter bullets are often unreliable in semi-automatic pistols, semi-wadcutter bullets usually work much better. The last 1500 or so rounds I've used have been coated 200g RN FB from Ibejiheads and they've been flawless In contrast, flat-front profile wadcutters tend to have … This round is not in any category above, but is a very effective round for self-defense. . 1.250" seems to be the most popular length. Thus, you have a huge, clean wound channel. Semi-wadcutter nose shapes (standard) from left to right: Target Wadcutter (TWC), Button Nose Wadcutter (BWC), Conical, Keith, Auto-Loader (AL), 3/4-E, 1-E. (Click the picture for a larger image). They take many different forms depending on the manufacturer, but they basically look like a short cylinder with a smaller cylinder sitting on top, which can be angled inward. So why do folks use SWC …   Your link has been automatically embedded. Try some TC - truncated cone - best of both worlds. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! The true Keith style is a SWC with a flat base, large square bottom lube grooves and a large crimp groove. Yes, I know, for most reliable feeding I should just stay with RN or TC... And for that matter, how many grains of WST to stay comfortably in Major PF? I fell in love with lswc's so long ago I don't even remember what a roundnose looks like. From my .38spl experience, the hollow base wadcutter bullet easily gave excellent accuracy, no doubt about it. Swc and clays hard to beat. You can reload and shoot both very well. less to start.) I try to stay away from the mess I used to get with a variety of bare lead bullets. A wadcutter is a special-purpose flat-fronted bullet ... although this is not always the case as some wadcutters may have rounded bullet nose profiles. Sometimes the base of the bullet is left open, and other times it is also coated, resulting in a TMJ-type bullet with a flat nose. I will be using Unique powder and working up some loads as soon as my dies get here. DISCLAIMER: All information posted by horsesoldier03 is strickly MY HUMBLE OPINION! I bought 4K of Montana Gold 6 years ago, but I was not real impressed.. Rainer and Delta 230gr HP gave the very best accuracy, but is cost prohibitive for me even for major matches.. OAL 1.250/1.252 crimp is at.469 all the time.. Jump to Latest Follow ... Winchester is using their 9mm 124 grain round nose fmj -- same exact fmj you can buy in 100 packs. A round-nose bullet will be like a pencil being pushed into a piece of paper - it pokes in, but then pushes the target material away from the bullet. Maybe you just like to go out on a weekend and shoot the “Guns that Won the West” or that your favorite TV and movie cowboy heroes toted. The flat shape of the nose is the primary feature of the wadcutter. The 3/4-jacket covers nearly the entire shank, leaving the nose exposed. And this can change its effectiveness in some calibers like the .38 special but believe me it wont matter at close range with a .357 magnum on a bad guy. Keith-Style SWC with one crimping groove and one filled lubrication groove. I don't have any problems with round nose or hollow point of any flavor. I have been using coated 200gr SWCs for awhile, but I think I want to try some 230gr RN bullets. The long surface of these bullets kept them going straight (to simplify). Discussion in 'Handguns : Revolvers' started by Jamesmb, Aug 19, 2008. (WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter, HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose), SP=Soft Point (JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet) Loads for .45 ACP: Photo from Mark Curtis New 2012 note on .45 ACP cases using small pistol primers vs. the large pistol primers. I'm about to start back up with the H&G68 coated SWC rounds, after a long time with 230gr RN. Brinell hardness of 17 — round-nose semi-wadcutter. A semi-wadcutter bullet was also the basis for the famous “FBI load” – a 158 grain lead semi-wadcutter bullet, that deleted the flat nose in favor of a hollow point. 230gn twists and hurts. Both poly coated. The semi-jacketed soft point (SJSP) is another hollow point alternative bullet – with an exposed lead soft point that gives very reliable expansion on impact, along with deeper penetration than your average hollow point.. You can usually find the semi-jacketed soft point with a copper jacket of various lengths and thickness to go with a lead core. Round nose and hollow-point bullets create a ragged hole with torn lines. I like lswc I've been casting a lot of lyman # 452630 lately. Re: 38 Special Factory 158gr Lead Semi-Wadcutter or Lead Round Nose For Distinguished Revolver by Chris Miceli on 5/12/2017, 8:12 am jglenn21 wrote: My 14-2 love the Remington target.. even the SWC but it has an 11 degree throat in it so that may have an affect.. A good FMJ-RN is often the most inaccurate bullet you will find. I have one pistol that will not reliably feed LSWC's of any make and have to use round nose or lrnfp. But it sure is accurate. Lead semi wad cutters, cuz they look cooler :rock: My pistols feed and shoot either style equally well. Paul tests the effectiveness of semi wadcutter hollow points. Share Followers 0. Obviously the general consensus is that anything is more accurate than a common round nose bullet. Think about the 38special full wadcutter. Before there was Polymer there was Accuracy. The edge from the bottom cylinder leaves a clean hole in paper, but it won’t be as defined as a full wadcutter. Where to find brands like Atomic, Axxess, Buffalo Bore, Federal, Fiocchi, Great Lakes, HSM, Jamison Ammo, Magtech, PPU Prvi Partizan, and Remington. These 230-grain projectiles are then loaded to an average chamber pressure of about 21,000 psi, at a nominal muzzle velocity of between 800 and 900 fps. They take many different forms depending on the manufacturer, but they basically look like a short cylinder with a smaller cylinder sitting on top, which can be angled inward. If your gun will feed them, I think they're the better choice. Tiro Fijo said:.38 SWC and Keith SWC are NOT the same. I shoot and rotate out 3 Baers and none have reliably ran 185/200WC. Maybe you’re involved with formal, sanctioning organizations for Cowboy Action shooting. For decades the .45 ACP performed admirably with nothing more than a FMJ—a round that does not expand at all and is certainly inferior to a good semi-wadcutter. 38 Special Factory 158gr Lead Semi-Wadcutter or Lead Round Nose For Distinguished Revolver. Round nose bullets penetrate wonderfully. The 45 Colt just grouped tighter and seemed to be more accurate. (WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter, HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose), (JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet) Loads for .38 special: (Note: These are near maximum loads (in some cases ARE MAXIMUM), you should use 10%. Refine by Product Family: DeepCurl Handgun Hunting Page 2 of 2 [ 18 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2 Previous topic | Next topic : Author Message; DGW1949 Post subject: Re: Bullet shape: Round nose vs semi wad cutter. The wound channel might be .357, but the edges will close over. My rifle doesn't do well well with round nose but semi wadcutter is nice and smooth especially in 357. Semi Wadcutter vs Round Nose Semi Wadcutter vs Round Nose. BrianEnos.com Joined: Oct 28, 2007 Messages: 104. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 20 of 35 Posts. Which bullets/loads are you guys using to make major in your single stack guns? I had issues with the 200swc feeding reliably, switched to the 230rn and haven't had any more issues. Refine by Bullet Style: Lead Wadcutter ... Copper Plated Round Nose CPRN DeepCurl Handgun Hunting. I use a Bear Creek 200gr RNHB over 5gr of Titegroup. If you want to stay with 200gr, switch to truncated cone bullets for better feeding. Shop safe now and find a good deal with reviews - no coupon codes required. As with any ammo type, where you get it affects its materials and how it’s made. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > Jamesmb Member. I'm interested in the "flat nose vs. Counting the holes becomes a daunting task. Another installment of .32 H&R Mag VS .38 Special in snub nose revolvers and today I have the Federal Lead Semi-Wadcutter ammunition. I tend to load LSWC because they seem to shoot a little tighter. Semi-wadcutters are a cross between traditional lead round nose and the full wadcutter. Some autoloaders may benefit from this design. Both loads had Uniquie powder. Only if you see more than one load, is it less than maximum. Corbin, of .452 Bullets. I have two questions. Buy the best cheap tobacco-free Semi-Wadcutter SWC Ammo products online. Refine by Bullet Style: Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point Lead Wadcutter. some other advantage I haven't thought of.. Round nose" argument... from a .45acp perspective... Vitamin G, Sep 22, 2005 #9. A semi-wadcutter has a flat nose and a shelf that makes it not a wadcutter. 200 vs 230 is the same thoughts as 125 vs147 in 9mm. Four .38 Specials pose for comparison; (l.-r.) jacketed hollow point, lead round nose, lead semi-wadcutter and full wadcutter. jwilkinson6, Makes about 170 power factor. . the Baer i have in 9mm thats another story i haven't had much success with that. In my experience LSWC has always been more accurate. The full jacket is made for ogival-type bullets (no shoulder). Note: a good L-SWC is about the MOST accurate bullet you will find. 25 yard pistol range. I suppose that’s partly my fault, but it’s actually not true. The round nose design is the oldest design. Refine by Bullet Style: Open Tip Match Plastic Training Bullet. That's what a local shop has had in stock. It will penetrate deep and cut a large round hole. It just took a long time to develop something better and get it out where it could be tested. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Even though the wadcutter doesn’t actually expand, it tends to penetrate soft tissue very reliably. Display as a link instead, × Factory wadcutters are typically loaded to lower velocities and pressures to reduce recoil. A forum community dedicated to all 1911 firearm owners and enthusiasts. Hawkeye: Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:01 am Posts: 8068 Location: Texas Kevin wrote: DGW1949. When used for a semi-wadcutter style, the full jacket makes only the heaviest weights. Round nose is range and casual target use, military use according to the 1899 Hague Convention and if you are in New Jersey where hollow points are illegal. Refine by Bullet Style: Lead Wadcutter Magnum Tip Soft Point. For the most part I prefer the midweight bullets in my handguns. Full wadcutters frequently have problems feeding from magazines reliably in semi-automatics, so SWCs … Many people sense that I have nothing but disdain for the “Wadcutter” type magazine. March 12, 2018 in 44/45 Caliber. Clays and 231 have both worked well for me. Upload or insert images from URL. First off, is there a difference in accuracy, feed reliability, or anything else in shooting a round nose verses a Semi wad (both of these in lead like betterbullets.com) Also, is there any real difference in shooting lead versus shooting plated FMJ? Round Nose Design = Cast Bullets’ Bad Reputation. Are wadcutter bullets lethal like round nose bullets? It was earth-shattering in 1898, when invented, but even before WWII we knew better. My rifle doesn't do well well with round nose but semi wadcutter is nice and smooth especially in 357. The round nose normally feeds better. The 41 was 210 grain semi wad cutter and the 45 was 250 round nose. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Meanwhile, it is well know in 45acp that the H&G #68 200 grain (and similar cast lead bullets in 185 grain) also win championships. wadcutter vs. semi-wadcutter. Therefore I need to pick up some factory ammunition to take to Perry. easier to make PF? With the .45 Colt for … A semi wadcutter has a stepped shoulder for cutting nice clean holes in paper. Bullet shape: Round nose vs semi wad cutter. A wadcutter, on the other hand, because of the flat front and hard right angle, it does to soft tissue kind of what it does to paper — it punches a sharp hole that’s a lot more disruptive than a round nose. T. If extremely well made, a premium bullet in any profile can be good. Semi-Wadcutter Shapes Wadcutter Shapes Button Nose has a slight nose, Target Wadcutter has a depressed ring and is flat across. If God had intended autopistols to be double action, or plastic, He would have had John Moses Browning design it that way in the first place. I assume you are talking Handguns. Bullseye shooters also use semi-wadcutters in semi-automatic pistols. Brownells is your source for Lead Semi-Wadcutter (LSWC) Round Nose Spire Point (RNSP) at Brownells parts and accessories. 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